Alrighty folks, I think now an appropriate amount of time has passed that we can begin discussion on a new IC Prince for Cascadia.

It seems that most people agree that an NPC Prince is what's called for, guided by the people for the people. Sounds like a good enough idea. So I've been thinking.

The general idea here is that because of all the mayhem that occured in Cascadia (general murder, etc etc) the Inner Council looked in on Valek and his hierarchy and found them not only in breach of Camarilla rules, but ineffective. They removed Valek from power, and would've done the same to Gabe had he not stepped down prior.

So now there's a slight power vacuum. The Camarilla is not about to allow a repeat of Chicago occur and leave the Kindred up to their own means. More than likely they'll plant an interim Prince until the Primogen can count their losses and try to decide for a new one.

So there's a few things we should decide upon, the way I see it.

1) What Camarilla figures are in Cascadia at the moment? My guess would be at least one Justicar and some high ranking Vamps. Perhaps Cock Robin's in, or Lucinde. No matter who it is, they undoubtedly have swarms of Archons roaming about. So Cascadia should consider itself locked down to violence etc etc.

2) Who're the principle new characters? Who's the new Prince? Man or woman? How old? What clan? What's he/she like? Is he/she really even in power or is he/she a complete puppet? Who's the Seneschal, Sheriff, etc etc etc.

3) Is the original Primogen still in place? What do they think of situation? Does it matter now that the big guns have arrived in town?

4) What, despite the Cammies best efforts, type of power vacuum has been created? With Valek gone (temporarily, but to IC no one knows that) are any of his old enemies ressurecting themselves? What businesses are falling prey to Kindred interest now that he's lost control?

I've been mulling it over, wondering these things and making a plan...just to suggest of course. Now that no one's really a hierarchy anymore we all have about the same weight in input. But here's MY idea.

The Dark Prince was dangerous and chaotic, evil and corrupt. The Camarilla would likely put someone in who's very opposite that image. But of course they're not going to stick in a powerless buffoon. They'll put someone in charge who appears kind and harmless, but who when trifled with has ruthless cunning and ability.

I envisioned an somewhat elderly Toreador. Elderly because even to the undead age sparks some remembrance of seniority. Toreador because now is a time for rebuilding. The Kindred grip on the Kine of Cascadia must be re-established but with a subtle approach. Things would need to be divided fairly to avoid unhealthy competition in the city's rebuilding process.

She intends to manipulate the local government to create more eye easy structures, to create an epicenter of art and culture. Increase tourism and trade, and dump tons of funding into the police department to cut back on crime. Without influx of people and businesses, Cascadia has no doubt suffered economically. The city must be reborn.

Her greeting speech would probably be received with outward approval but inward skepticism by many. However, she has the strength of the bastions of the Camarilla behind her, what she says they endorse.

In stark contrast would be her Seneschal...a powerful figure, far from the usual stereotype of a notekeeping, appointment booking worm. He would act as her representation, but even he is quiet and reserved.

Behind this administration lays the true threat....hoardes of able Archons and Camarilla agents, ready to strike down any potential threat to their newly reclaimed city.

ok, sice it's open to public opinion... here's my two cents.

1)the primogen probably woul;d have been disbanded too for good reason. the primogen could have easily dethroned the prince by praxis seizure. which, in hind sight would have been a better option then having the inner circle do it.

2)a justicar would probably be in place, however the clan would probably be that of the clan who brought the issue to light, in this case malkavian.

3)the princedom could be taken over still by the primogen... but if the current primogen council is put in power... then they'd better tread lightly. they are responsible of not dethroning a masquerade breeching prince. so, that brings me to point number one.

4)yes, i realize how badly this screws me, but keep the primogen to the 6 camarilla clans, and one for the independents.

5)have primogen council select new hierarchy

6)have clans select new primogen. if the primogen are found uneffective, have the council vote them out and the clans send in a new candidate, who will then be voted upon by the council and so on.

that is all that i can think of right now... remember this is just my two cents... it's an effective way to run the city. i have seen it work in vampire games.

Way I see it is like this:

War has just ended.

Power vacuum.

Supernatural community (Vamps, Garou, awakened mortals, etc etc) in turmoil.

Cammarilla impose something like martial law. Heavy Guns. Maybe a Brujah enforced Ventrue leadership for immediate control.

Clans are required to elect Primogens, may be current or new Primogens.

Primogens decide on a new Prince over course of a week or so.

Prince is put in place, with continued martial support of Cammarilla.

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I like the Toreador idea as the final prince, but I am pretty certain a strong arm would need to be made visible to the supernatural community to show that this is NOT an egg ripe for breaking.

A Toreador or similar would be good for restoring things slowly and generating wealth in a destroyed city. Should have contacts to help with commerce and trade for good of entire city....

PErhaps in that way, a Ventrrue is better - would be able to pump finances in quickly and efficiently using contacts and so on. Then a Toreador as Prince (so yeah, a good ventrue as Seneschal, effectively covering the practical side of PRincedom, and a Tori doing the public face thing of justice and providence rising)

poo

Sounds pretty cool in overall, as for what happened of Valek IC, A LOT is explained in my thread " Misanthropia ". Like what happened to him etc, still alive of course hehe. But anyway, since it did happened pretty fast ( wasnt really able to check the board often during those times ) I wrote pretty much what happened with Valek being taken down as Prince etc in my thread as I mentioned earlier :). To those interested go have a look.

As for an NPC Prince, sounds aiight by me, tho I think the Prince SHOULD be a Ventrue, its typical but thats my opinion hehe lol

- Chris / Valek -

actually, i think i'm more inclined to say a nosferatu prince. it's always good to have a prince that knows as much information about the city as possible.

NO!!!!!!!!!!! not a nossie....arrghhhh!!!

I think Gabes idea for a torrie prince is good and also agree with Euryon......have a bit of ventrue thrown into the proceedings by appointing one as seneschal :)

Sounds like a return to a former administration best left swept under a very heavy carpet.

there's nothing wrong with a prince who has his ear to the ground. now if only it wasn't his addiction to beautiful women...

not that i know anything about that... *am playing ex-nos prince's childe*

and the reason why that prince was dethroned is because he went to rescue a ventrue who got himself stuck in africa.

no one else think that a malkavian prince is the way to go?

Actually, although I like Gabe's idea alot. I'd like to see an NPC Malkavian prince. They aren't gibbering idiots as many of you assume. I think a mad prince would be an excellent twist :D

atlanta's prince was malkavian unitl the sabbat decided to take over. i se nothing wrong with a malk prince either...

hey, better yet, how about tremere?

Wow....a Tremere Prince would be....unusual. Anyway, just for those it concerns I should be posting tonight. Finally.

Agreed. Chalk up another for a Malk NPC prince. THAT- would be fun.

Tremere Princes are a pretty rare thing. Princeing distracts us from more important tasks, not to mention kind of tieing us into having to toe the Camarilla party line.

*looks around furtively*

*cough* Um... yes, of course we are all good and loyal cammies. Nothing to see here... move along.

am i the only one who sees real value to having a nosferatu prince?